PLAYING A DEADLY GAME
WITH OTHER PEOPLE’S LIVES
LaGrange Township – Someone pulling trashcans from people’s yards and placing them in the street in part caused a motorcycle crash in LaGrange early this morning on Biggs Road.Chief James Rader of LaGrange Township Fire & Rescue said the victim, 20-year-old Samuel Spector of Grafton, lost control of his bike after striking the trashcans that were on the roadway. “We found him and his bike lying in a ditch about a half mile east of Route 301 on Biggs Road. The victim was conscious and alert the entire time speaking with us and other then a fractured femur it appears that any other injuries are all minor in nature.”
Firefighters treated Spector at the scene – then transported him to Community Park in LaGrange where they were met by a LifeFlight team. Spector was then flown to MetroHealth Medical Center in Cleveland.Troopers cited Spector for “operating a vehicle without reasonable control”.
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posted by TMC NEWS at 12:00 PM
19 Comments:
Were the trash cans standing straight up in the road or perhaps the wind blew them into the road if they were empty?
The garbage cans were standing upright in the middle of the road and were full of trash. Trash pick up was scheduled for today.
I can't believe they cited him. I'd have to say if he was still alive after that he did very well with reasonable control. Haas
Life flighted for a broken led and other minor injuries , is it just me that thinks this way , or is people being life flighted for every thing theses days , is it just to milk the insurance companies for more money , EMH could not set a broken leg , or any of the other local hospitals ?
Why is everyone flown to metro in cleveland. Does EMH and all the other local hospitals not do any type of trama care. I know a chopper ride is very expensive !!!!
I dont understand why he was sited. The people that put the trash cans in the road should be sited.
if some idiot put the cans out in the road they should be cited not the guy on the motorcycle what a bunch of crap
I support all law enforcement agencies and agree with Most of what they do, but to cite that guy?? What kind of Bull Sh!t citation is that?!?! OSP In need of quotas? I didnt think those existed.
Flying a TRAUMA (not trama) victim huh? I would hope the person questioning the decision of the crew is not part of any EMS system!!! A broken Femur can be a life threatening injury, especialy if the man has been laying there for any length of time, also the mechanism of injury alone would justify being flown to a level I trauma center, EMH is not a level I center and if this were your family member wouldn't you want the EMS crews to be extra cautious even if it cost alittle more I know I would, insurance company or not if the crew feels my family member needs flown FLY THEM.
I feel bad for the guy too, however it is the responsibility of EVERY driver to pay attention and drive with reasonable care. He was not in control if he was unable to see trash cans in the middle of the road. It would be interesting to know how fast he was going at the time of the crash. It was obviously too fast to react.
I agree with the anonymous guy who thought this forum was for a spelling bee. It never hurt to be cautious. If they didn't fly him and he ended up dead or injured even worse that just opens the EMS crew to a very nice Lawsuit since everyone is soooooo sue happy these days. And Michael P. do you have a motorcycle??? It does not react like a 4 wheeled vehicle swerving to advoid the trash can can be a fatal mistake. And also THAT bike has 1 headlight on a VERY dark road. Seeing a BLACK trashcan in the roadway may be difficult to see before it is too late EVEN IF YOU ARE PAYING ATTENTION! Bottom line is it is a crappy citation from some grumppy ol Statie who works midnights and hates his life so he wants to make other people hate their lives equally. Hopefully he fights the citation in EMC or wherever and gets it thrown out.
In answer to your question, I use to have a bike but I do not ride anymore. One of the reasons is because it is way too dangerous out there to ride one. Makes more sense fuel wise, but too dangerous. And before you write back to me, I mean dangerous because cars and trucks don’t pay attention to bikes and that makes it too dangerous. Not too long ago I saw here on tmc news the van that pulled out in front of the guy on a bike in Grafton and that crash killed him. Horrible!
My point was this, I knew the limitations with my bike and I rode accordingly. I do not want to speculate on this crash but I would guess this rider was doing slightly more then the posted speed limit.
Knowing that you only have a single headlight and that you are on a dark road I would think you would slow way down so you would be able to react to situations like a obstacle in the roadway.
Last point I would like to make is that I have received my share of traffic tickets and although I didn’t enjoy paying the steep fines I never treated any of the cops disrespectfully. Shame on you for writing what you did about that trooper.
Let’s all agree that we hope this young man recovers well and that the person or people who moved those cans out into the road get what they deserve.
Mike we alll know that the broken tail light chasers that we call State Patrol have a HUGE REP for being ummmm how do I say w/o TMC Not Posting... Rude? I have yet to meet a courteous polite and HAPPY state patrol officer. And I do agree with you mike that this young man has a good and strong recovery and I hope the punk kids that did this get caught. BUT ALSO You stated you did not want to speculate on his speed but you did anyway. Even If he was going 25mph on his bike and wrecked, he could have very well broke a femur at that speed. Maybe we will all find out later. Maybe they should just outlaw Motorcycles?
There are nice state troopers out there..I've met them. I'm a little surprised they cited the guy, seeing as he had a really bad morning. Controlling a bike is different than controlling a car and I know we have all had to make split second decisions while driving to avoid items/potholes/animals in the street. Decisions like that on bikes are usually at a greater cost. But then again we don't know anything about how fast he was going, braking distance, etc to play police on a news forum that contains three brief paragraphs about the incident. I'm just glad he's OK and not another face in the obituary.
wow, a citation huh? the officer apparently has never ridden a motorcycle at night. nor did look at the less than stellar rode conditions on biggs. there is alot of gravel on that road. chances are even if he was doing the speed limit with a little to much brake applied in a panic situation he was going down anyway. being a avid motorcycle rider myself i feel sorry for the victim. he should not have beed cited and im sure if he fights it the charge will be thrown out. just remember, there are only 2 kinds of bikers. "the kind that have gone down and the kind that are going down."
I am shocked that he was cited. I can honestly say I was speechless after reading that. And he was not life flighted because of the broken leg. Yes EMS could have handled that. But like anon. said a broken Femur is cause for life flight. Yes it is VERY expensive however these EMT's are trained to make a the decision on wether or not life flight is needed. They did the correct thing here.
Instead of conjecture and inuendo about the Trooper and the way he does his job...why doesn't someone just obtain a copy of the report and see why the person was issued a citation?
It is obvious that something else was discovered during the Trooper's investigation of the accident; that through no fault of TMC, was not available initially when the story was reported.
Let us please stop making assumptions, calling people names, etc. as we do not have all the facts.
I admire Michael P. for being courteous to the officers after receiving traffic citations; and for admonishing the person who made the derogatory remarks about the Trooper.
It is sad to see that this forum appears to be going the way of Loraincounty.com.
TMC NEWS.....you are doing a very good job with your web site. I hope to see it for a long time to come.
The crash/trash cans are a sore subject anyway, they need reflective tape or lettering on them. Two years ago garbage men left our cans(this whole section of Biggs) in middle of road in morning. I complained to company, it hasn't happened since. Knowing that these cans had garbage in them, it must have been prank or stupid homeowner. BUT...while we are on subject of Biggs Rd. and motorcycles, I know our neighbors are very irritated with "crotch rockets" and ATV's using this section as race strip. When we hear the bikes roaring down the road we pray no one is pulling out of driveway or anyone(kids on bikes, walkers) gets in the way, because obviously the time to respond is nil when you are on a bike that's traveling 80 mph. and up--full throttle. I'm thinking maybe these boys ticked off the wrong person. That's my take on it. Noticed 2 state troopers on our end yesterday, finally! No one says anything because it is one of the families (crotch rocket city) here on Biggs that owns most of the land in Lagrange, could be why. But I seriously do wish they kept the ATVs off road and the bikes under manageable speed on the roads, for their sakes and ours. The man in this situation should not have been cited. It is wrong to have the cans in road period and is not his fault.
keep in mind "crotch rockets" as you call them are not the problem. it is the operator of the machines that are the problem. and just so you know harleys and other types of cruisers are also capable of going "80 mph."
How true that HDs and cruisers are capable of doing 80 mph plus. But you cannot deny that the "croctch rockets" are the ones doing high speeds, wheelies, standing on the bike, etc.....any many of these acts are done on back roads and highways. Let's be honest. Let's just hope there are no other injuries or fatalities in the future no matter whose fault.
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