Saturday, November 29, 2008

LAKE AVE HOUSE DESTROYED BY FIRE

Elyria Township – A fire in an abandoned house on Lake Ave was the fourth structure fire that Firefighters in Lorain County battled on Friday night.

Assistant Chief Russ Scarbrough of the Elyria Township Fire Department said that his department received a all of a possible house fire around 11:30pm Friday night. “When we arrived we found heavy fire on the front part of the structure and the south part of the structure. The house was boarded up so we decided to make it a defensive attack also, due to the amount of other fires going on in the county we immediately had mutual aid coming from Carlisle Township Fire as we were leaving our station.”


Although one of Elyria Township’s Engines was in Amherst assisting at a fire there, Scarbrough said that while they were responding that Engine was clearing Amherst and began responding to the Lake Ave fire. “Even though they were responding it was obviously going to be a delayed response. We have an automatic mutual aid agreement with Sheffield Township but they were in the city of Lorain and their two structure fires. We were fortunate that even with all that was going on in the county we had a good response from our crews and Carlisle Township. We also requested mutual aid from Sheffield Village for their aerial truck and also their Chief, Chief Jeff Young, to have another Chief Officer on scene.”


Firefighters were able to knock down much of the fire but there was still heavy fire in the roof. “Sheffield Village’s aerial truck was able get up there, cut a hole in the roof and knock the rest of the fire down.”

Scarbrough said Del Lumber owns the home and the people who had been renting it showed up to the scene. They told officials on scene that the house has been vacant and boarded up for about two weeks.

A crew remained on scene overnight on fire watch and the Lorain County Fire Investigators were scheduled to arrive on the scene at 8am Saturday morning to attempt to locate the cause of the blaze.



117 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'd like to thank Amherst Fire Dept and LifeCare as well for filling our station on Friday night. Also, thanks to Red Cross and the Lorain County Fire Investigators. It's nice to know that the help is there when you need it.

Capt. Tim Midkiff
Elyria Township FD

8:37 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This house was only 500 or so yards from the Elyria Border, why didnt they request help from Elyria? They have a manned station only 3 minutes from this fire. What a shame. Are the egos that bad around here? Thats really putting the citizens first.

10:02 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The reason Elyria Fire Dept was not contacted was due to the fact that Lorain had two fires at the same time and Lorain Fire Department requested Elyria to send an engine and their ladder to assist them. We felt that it would have taxed Elyria Fire too much to have another crew leave the city unprotected. It had absolutely nothing to do with egos. We look at the overall picture when deciding who to call for mutual aid. It bothers me that people immediately assume there is a problem between departments when one is called before another. We all work together very well and ALL of us DO put citizens first.

Capt. Tim Midkiff
ETFD

11:43 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Elyria Twnp has NEVER called EFD not in any of the years I have lived in either jurisdiction.

9:23 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

BS TIM....YOUR DEPT NEVER CALLS EFD, THE SAME REASON THEY DONT CALL YOU. OH MAYBE YOU DID MAKE IT TO THAT BIG FIRE BACK IN JULY, THATS ONLY BECAUSE ALL THE CHIEFS ARE SIZING UP LORAIN COUNTY TO BE AN ALL VOLUNTEER FORCE

9:35 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey Tim remember that fatal a while back.. Never called EFD for help.

Change Your MABAS boxes for goodness sake before someone else suffers needlessly.

And to think your Chief is an EFD Lt.

Something is wrong and I think its on ETFDs end Not Elyria's

11:38 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ETFD is on our MABAS boxes and really Tim you should've called we would of sent a pumper immediately and to have a Chief (Young) come from home when EFD has a on-duty Chief is rediculous.

Shame on Chief Eppley

11:40 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the Elyria Firefighters taking shots at ETFD and the decisions they made at last weekends fire: You might not want to start pointing fingers. Let’s start with the house fire on 17th Street in Elyria where a man was killed in the blaze. You had issues with your water supply and even though Carlisle Township Fire Department is just down the road, with a tanker loaded with almost 10,000 gallons of water, you requested them to cover your station. They had to drive past the fire to get to your station. How about the apartment building fire by Target on West River about a year ago, ETFD was never called to assist you at the scene. It is widely known that you call in your own members to go to these calls, thus delaying additional crews at scenes. Recently you returned to the mall area for an apartment fire and your engine 3 crew kicked in the door and knocked down the fire very quickly. Yet while you had mutual aid trucks covering your stations you were still calling guys in almost an hour later.

Calling and requesting Chief Young to be rear command was a wise move with the fact that his crew was there with their aerial. ETFD made the absolute correct decisions that night.

Everyone, every department, every chief makes mistakes from time to time, I find it ridiculous that you would spew your hate to a volunteer department while sitting on your high horse. I fear now that Pronesti is no longer your chief things will go back to the way they were with Elyria firefighters thinking that they are better then everyone else in the world. Let’s all work together so that we all go home at the end of our shifts safe and sound.

12:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow!!! That was an impressive annonymous at 12:34pm.


Elyria Fire probably called in manpower for overtime so they could post on this website all day.

1:30 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As a resident of Elyria, I would have been fuming if EFD sent another truck out. You guys bitch and moan that you can't operate with minimum staffing at 13. you complain about station 2 being closed.

how many firefighters were in Lorain on friday night? How many trucks were out of the city? You were ok with minimal people on staff then!!! You can't have it both ways...

You seem awful willing to put our city in harms way to prove a point.

The reason you say you would have sent a truck is because you could justify calling in more off duty personnel so they can get paid overtime. The second reason is that you think you're better than everyone else.

Elyria never calls anyone except union departments. Lorain is farther than other departments like amherst, south amherst or elyria township, but Elyria FD calls ONLY union departments.

If that 3rd truck hit the pavement, I would have been calling for that on-duty Chief to be disciplined.

No wonder Elyria FD is falling apart.

No wonder Joe Pronesti stepped down.

you guys call yourselves "professional" firefighters versus volunteer but all the comments from your staff really shows how UNPROFESSIONAL you really are. You all do the same job. regardless of pay and unions.

Obviously, Capt Pronesti never meant anything by using the term "brother" in all of those city meetings... because the Elyria Fire Department is brother to NO ONE !!!!!!!

2:00 PM  
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3:27 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

All you people bitching and moaning is really humorous, we all should help each other.

Tim,
You did the best you could if you would've called Elyria, I am sure they would've of sent another pumper. You did what you are trained to do.

This was an unusual event (four workers in a short time)

And to the comment of me not meaning the word "Brother" give me a break, you don't know me very well.

Joe Pronesti

6:14 PM  
Anonymous Heather said...

Hey Tim not knocking you but you forgot to mention a thanks to Carlisle TWP.

7:21 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ALL OF YOU WHO ARE BICKERING BACK AND FORTH, KNOCK IT OFF YOU ARE ALL HERE TO DO THE SAME THING FOR THE SAME REASONS AND THE SAME OUTCOMES. SOMEONE SAID EFD WOULD HAVE SENT A THIRD TRUCK BUT WHERE WOULD THAT HAVE PUT THE RESIDENTS OF ELYRIA. AND FOR YOU WHO DONT KNOW JOE PRONESTY HE IS A GREAT LEADER AND ONE WHO WILL WORK WITH OTHERS AND IS A TRUE BROTHER TO ALL IN THE SERVICE. IT SOUNDS LIKE THE SO CALLED PROFESSIONALS AT EFD ARE NOT ACUALLY PROFESSIONALS NOR WORRIED ABOUT THE PUBLIC THE ARE SUPPOSED TO PROTECT BUT THE FACT THAT THEY DID NOT MAKE IT TO WORKING FIRE. GO CRY SOME PLACE ELSE, I AM TIRED OF HEARING IT. TO TIM YOUR DEPT DID NOTHING WRONG AND DID WHAT YOU HAD TO TO NOT ONLY PROTECT YOU RESIDENTS BUT THE RESIDENTS OF THE SURROUNDING RESIDENTS AS WELL, WHICH IS MORE THAN I CAN SAY FOR THE PROFESSIONALS AROUND YOUR COMMUNITY. KUDOS TO YOU GUYS.
JOB VERY WELL DONE.


FORMER 7 HILLS F.F

8:08 PM  
Anonymous Ken said...

I have also known Captain Joe Pronesti for years and believe what another poster said, with him no longer in the Chief position the attitudes of my hose is bigger then yours will return to the forefront. He has demonstrated over the last several years that he respects the departments throughout Lorain county, full time, paid part time or volunteers. His respect for them was shown during the general industries fire when he called for Chiefs Young and Walker by name right away. Both run non-fulltime departments.

The shame is within his department, many of the guys he works with, not all, still believe that firefighters that are not full time and members of a union are not as qualified.

As far as the ETFD and the decisions they made that night, by just looking at the reports and reading their posts, I agree that they made 100% the right calls. Hold your head high ETFD and do not let a small number of negative, bitter, self absorbed guys bring you down.

Ken M

8:38 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I find it funny that the ONE, and ONLY ONE that was there gave facts. Then 10 (est) "uniformed people" with ABSOLUTELY NO CLUE what so ever, chime in with nothing but ignorance. Funny how the EFD gets crapped on and they literally had nothing to do with it, wasn't even in their city!!!!

Seems like Grace's lackeys have to start reaching to other city boundaries to come up with crap to slander that is so remotely far from the truth. Give it up already.

To further show ignorance, if you (EFD) don't give mutual aid (help) to other cities when they need it, what makes you think they will help you when you need it. Hence the name "mutual" aid. Now to the OT BS. If you (once again the EFD) send help to another city, if you don't call in to fill your station then you would be covering your city with roughly 11 people instead of 14. This means that not only station #2 is closed, stations 2 AND 3 are empty. Must not have done too well on your SAT's. Simple math problems elude you.

Kudos to the ETFD for recognizing this situation, and handling things accordingly.

Only union FD's get called...LMAO. Lets look at a couple of things hear. It is purely coincidence that this happens. The FD's that have MANNED stations can respond faster. Get the call and go, not get the call, get dressed, leave your house and drive to the station, wait for additional guys to get there (its in the mutual aid agreement that you need no less than 3 per truck) then get in your truck and go. Once again we can resort back to those SAT scores for this one.

Funny how when you learn the facts and then look back at your posts, even you realize how pathetic it was.

Sincerely,
The Fact-man.

9:01 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maybe TMC News should request the audio tapes from the 17th Street fire and post it on here so we can all hear how bad things were ran that night. You won’t hear that here though because this site is pro fire and police. Nothing wrong with being pro police and fire but don’t put your head in the sand when they make mistakes. Maybe the C-T should request, oh wait what am I saying, the C-T actually do investigative journalism? They couldn’t even make it to one of four big fires last Friday. Thank God they had people to cover shoppers on Friday though.

If anyone actually listened to those tapes and reviewed other scenes they would find that maybe the efd is susceptible to failings just like anyone else. The problem is, they don’t see it.

RJG retired fulltime union firefighter

9:16 PM  
Anonymous Sue from Avon said...

Wikipedia describes Firefighters as rescuers extensively trained primarily to put out hazardous fires that threaten civilian populations and property, to rescue people from car accidents, collapsed and burning buildings and other such situations. The increasing complexity of modern industrialized life with an increase in the scale of hazards has stimulated both advances in firefighting technology and a broadening of the firefighter-rescuer's remit.

Funny they didn’t mention anything about fulltime, part time, paid or volunteer. That is because IT DOESN’T MATTER. I thank God for all Firefighters.

9:32 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OMG... I don't even know where the hell to begin. Lets start with the 17th St. Fire. ~ Water supply? Damn right it was a problem. We showed up with a truck that carried 200 gallons of water. WHY? Because our founding fathers decided that closing station number 2 and reducing our manpower on shift, WAS THE BETTER OPTION. Then after I filled up all the hoses lines with that 200 gallons, we hit a hydrant THAT WAS FROZEN. Then we had to fight a bad hose coupling that was out of round, then we had to wait for our second alarm people to bring their truck to catch the hydrant at 17th and Middle Av. to finally secure a water supply. WHY? Because the rest of us 12 people on the scene where busier then a one armed wallpaper hanger. Now that, that is layed to rest, let me reflect on who gets called.... I don't have that answer?! But if you call us we will come. Maybe the Mutual Aid should be changed to AUTOMATIC RESPONSE. But then that takes people to be in place at all hours of the day. And seeing how we are such a diversified county that won't work to well either. So we all do the best that we can and we all do it very well. Throw stones EVERYONE...The fires still go out the same, whether we show up or not. I am sitting waiting for the next BIG ONE!!

Ffr. J. Castle
EFD Engine Co. 3
Lorain Blvd. @ Bell

10:08 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The last thing elyria needs is more fireman i mean they are over paid to sit around a fight a fire every once and a while. i mean come on! You guys bitch and moan about how under staffed you are and how the city is screwed if we have a fire due to your "under staffing", but you say if ETFD should have called for your help? Really? Then where would the people of elyria be if they needed you. I mean they are the ones that pay your salary. If you EFD "Heros" really want to make a difference in the city, let they whole place burn down!

12:30 AM  
Anonymous EFD SUPPORTER..ALWAYS.. said...

Having lived in the City of Elyria, and knowing the political fiasco that is going on there, I can comment on here.

First, I would like to say that Capt. Joe Pronesti was exactly what that department needed. He showed what leadership should be about, and what the admin lacked. Joe, you were and still are an outstanding firemen, and an outstanding brother to all of those who know you.

Mutual aid? Let me tell you; when it comes to mutual aid I would much rather have a trained fulltime fire dept coming to my aid then ones who have to drive to the station from their house, and then get in the trucks to come. I think that makes SENSE. Oh wait, after reading these postings it appears most of you lack that.

As far as the Mayor goes of Elyria, well thats another chapter, that remains to be seen. I will say this; The City of Elyria is falling deeper, and deeper down. BUT, ITS NOT THE FIRE DEPARTMENTS FAULT!!!!!!!!!!! When you have a union contract, and the Mayor doesn't even know whats in there to stipulate the calling in of replacements for overtime that is so, so sad. Funny how I bet you won't see the fire dept on the top 10 paid in the City anymore. Oh wait, now go ahead and bitch some more I can promise you they AREN'T PAID THAT WELL. And, what they are paid they should be paid for putting their life on the line 24/7.

The 17th St Fire? Don't even try to blame that dept for what happened. There was nothing they could do; water supply is out of their hands, thats in the Mayors court. So, if you want to find reason to bitch, make sure you know what your saying..go bitch to your Mayor Grace..the DISGRACE..

CAPT. PRONESTI AND THE EFD: I KNOW ALL OF YOU TRULY CARE ABOUT THE CITIZENS OF ELYRIA, AND WHAT HAPPENS TO THEM. DON'T WORRY ABOUT SOME OF THESE DISGRUNTGLED PEOPLE..THEY HAVE NOTHING ELSE TO DO BUT SIT ON THIS COMPUTER 24/7. UNLIKE YOU WHO DON'T EVEN HAVE ACCESS TO IT WHILE YOUR ON DUTY..SAD THEY THINK THEY KNOW IT ALL HUH?

6:28 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sounds like Lorain county is ready for a fulltime county fire dept. That way there is no "this fire dept doenst like this fire dept" everyone is on the same dept. I can see it now, fire trucks rolling that read "Lorain county fire Dept." Its works go east and south.

9:26 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I do believe Elyria filled station 3 with a reserve engine to cover the district. Also, I do believe that Engine 3 was released from Lorain by that time.

9:30 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Time to stop all of the bashing!
Kudos, to ETFD on a job well done with the Lake Ave, fire. Chief Scarbrough and Capt, Midkiff, thank you for being there and for your good judgment. I am glad that you realized EFD was already tied up in Lorain and that you knew where to get the help you needed.
People, it doesn’t matter if you work for a union department or a non-union department, I believe that in the beginning, you all get into firefighting for the same reasons, some of them being to serve your community and for the brotherhood. I do, from an outside opinion see that the egos of some of the EFD firefighters along with the union affiliations somehow cloud their vision and they somehow believe that because of the union ties, they are better than the non-union firefighters. Many of the part paid firefighters have the same certifications and perhaps even train more than the union members. ETFD and other part time departments are all here to fight fires and to help people, they do get paid, not nearly what full time departments do and for them, this is done on top of their full time jobs. If you asked them what they would do if there were budget cuts, most of them would continue doing what they do, on their own time because they love what they are doing, what would EFD do?
I have heard that when Pronesti was the interim chief for EFD, things began to improve and that he was much more open minded about mutual aid with other departments, regardless of their union ties, or lack of. What a shame that he decided to not stick it out. That is what the EFD needs. I have heard that they don’t like to play nice with others. They will call for help from Lorain and Avon, even if these other departments have to drive past ETFD, STFD and even if Carlisle and Amherst are closer---why is this---Union, that’s why.
People were on here slamming Chief Eppley for his choices, do they realize that he is out, injured and had nothing to do with this call, other than seeing to it that his officers know how to think and make the proper choices to get the job done?
Keep up the good work ETFD and the other departments that are fighting fires and helping the community, for the right reasons. Thank you!

9:48 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow...this whole thing is just so sad. This all started with Capt. Midkiff just trying to say Thank-you...something you dont hear very often anymore...and you big-headed jerks just slam the whole thing over some BS about who did what...who didnt do what...you gotta be kidding me!!! My 9 year old can accept a Thank-you better then you grown men. I work in EMS, and you FF crack me up on scenes, snubbing your nose at us like we are just some peons that show up on scene, while you stand around in your big bad turn-out gear with the "this is a waste of my time" looks on your faces. It's such a shame, it really is. We get paid peanuts compared to what you guys make, yet we show up on scene and if there's not a fire it's like pulling teeth to get help out of you. You get all the recognition, and fluffing of your egos for being big bad fireman, and us paramedics sit back and laugh, and get shit on, but you know what...It's ok, because it's our job, we do it because we love it...we'll continue to be the "unsung" heros and be ok with that.

11:59 AM  
Anonymous Heather said...

To the Anon above me. I do not know what other firemen make but I do know a few full timers that dont make jack. My boyfriend a paid volunteer does not make anything compared to what some paramedics make from Life Care. I have been to a few calls with him and not all firefighters are as bad as you make them out to seem. In fact his department has nothing but respect for EMTs. I will soon become and EMT-B and will further my education to become a paramedic and allow me to say we too are heros and many people acknowledge that. I am sorry if you have to deal with shitty firefighters but not ALL are like that.

12:20 PM  
Anonymous John M. Lyons said...

Great, now paramedics are heroes? Is one a hero because they transport an elderly man from a nursing home to a doctor’s office? Is one a hero because they go out and perform the job that they signed up for? Is one a hero because they drive a vehicle with lights and sirens?

The characteristics of the modern day hero have deteriorated greatly. Until recently, our heroes were individuals who braved unknown frontiers at the risk of death or public humiliation, regardless of the sacrifices. Much of what they accomplished was for the good of humanity rather than their own self-centered needs.

I read this site almost every day and until now I have never posted a comment. Today though I read how paramedics are “unsung heroes”. REALLY? Are you people serious? To all police, firemen and paramedics: you decided at some point in your life that you wanted to do what it is you are doing for a living. Then you went to school and learned your trade and now you are performing your duties in the profession you chose. That does NOT make you a hero.

The every day citizen who does not have your training, safety gear and back up, who goes into a burning house to save another or someone who provides aid to another without training and puts themselves at risk IS a hero. It irritates me so much when I see people throw the term hero around like it is nothing.

Police, firemen and paramedics are very much needed and I am glad you all are doing the jobs you do. For the most part you all do a great job and you should be proud of you work, just don’t delude yourself by saying you are a hero just because you do a job that you chose and are trained to do.

While this is my first post, and probably my last I would like to make a comment about one other issue that seems to have taken on a life of its own on here. STOP WIT THE VEST COMMENTS!

Happy Holidays to everyone. Spend time with your families, because in the end family is everything.

John M. Lyons

12:45 PM  
Anonymous RJG said...

In response to firefighter Castle’s posted comment.

“OMG... I don't even know where the hell to begin. Lets start with the 17th St. Fire. ~ Water supply? Damn right it was a problem. We showed up with a truck that carried 200 gallons of water. WHY? Because our founding fathers decided that closing station number 2 and reducing our manpower on shift, WAS THE BETTER OPTION.”

No, the founding fathers (Mayor Grace I assume you mean) did not shut down a station. You guys need to stop trying to get that one past the people, we are not that dumb. The administration lowered the minimum manpower, your department decided to close station two because you were upset with the Mayor and thought that you could scare people and scare the Mayor. We are fortunate that we have a Mayor that will not back down to your dirty tactics. You were able to operate three guys on a pumper before, why not after? Other departments are able to run a pumper with 3 guys, why not you? In the case of you responding the ladder truck with only 200 gallons on board, instead of a pumper with over 700 gallons that was sitting right next to the ladder as you left the station was a decision made by your department, not the Mayor. Did that decision play a part in an elderly man dying, we will never know.

“Then after I filled up all the hoses lines with that 200 gallons, we hit a hydrant THAT WAS FROZEN. Then we had to fight a bad hose coupling that was out of round, then we had to wait for our second alarm people to bring their truck to catch the hydrant at 17th and Middle Av. to finally secure a water supply. WHY? Because the rest of us 12 people on the scene where busier then a one armed wallpaper hanger.”

Everyone in this town knows that water supply on the south side is poor, I believe another house burned down in that area because of poor water supply a couple years ago. Knowing this, why did your chief responding not call and request that Carlisle Township Fire Department, who is just down the road with a fireman on station, respond with their tanker truck? That tanker could have brought you anywhere from 7 to 10 thousand gallons of water within minutes.

Someone from efd has also questioned why etfd didn’t call them even though their station was closer then ctfd. I wonder if that person could answer this question. Why does efd call avon fire to cover the city when north Ridgeville fire department is so much closer and they are staffed 24 hours a day?

We should all remember that this all started on here because an Elyria fireman whined because their feelings were hurt that they weren’t called to a fire in Elyria township.

RJG

2:35 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I would like to say that Capt. Midkiff did do a great thing by thanking the respective departments and agencies for their help. Why do small minded people have to chime in and turn this into mud-slinging fiasco?
John M. Lyons....everyday heroes aren't average people that run into a burning building to save someone, that is job security for the FF/EMS personnel that arrive on scene with appropriate gear and tools to actually help others and not create more patients or victims.
Full time/ Part time...these people are heroes, because they do what they can to help those in need and thank God they are there when we do need them.
John M. Lyons...it isn't just transporting to nursing homes, its also keeping someone that was ripped aprt in a crash, alive long enough to get them to a hospital or a helicopter, its saving someone that is having a massive MI, in front of their family.

3:20 PM  
Anonymous Yea right..... said...

Blah, Blah, Blah. You people make me sick. You are nothing but Ego maniacs.

The professionals hate the lowly unpaids. The unpaids are green with envy about the professionals.
It all comes back to egos.

In the post 911 world I can't believe how many people have jumped on the backs of dead firefighters who died September 11, 2001.
You sew on a patch or put an FDNY sicker on your truck and in the process you inflate your own already overblown egos by trying to equate yourselves with the men who unwittingly died when two buildings fell on them.

For the record, the men who died in the Trade Center died because a bad command decision put them where they should not have been.

For the record, I have no idea if the man who died on 17th street had any chance at all. But, when you leave the water at home don't be shocked when the fire doesn't go out.

For the record, when you are too, proud, spiteful, vain, or worst of all, GREEDY to call in the volunteers 2 minutes from the scene of a fire you have no grounds to be upset when people call you on it.

You aren't heros. Sorry guys, it's the truth. You do a tough job that can be emotionally rending and dirty.

The only difference between you an an $8 an hour nurses aide that has to deal with an incontinent chronic masturbator, is that she doesn't have cool hero shirts, hats, pins, badges, truck stickers, key chains, and web sites.

Wow, I just realized how pathetic you really are.
You owe us all a REAL apology. Get writing heros. I want my apology!!!!!

4:46 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ignorance is bliss isn't it John. Hopefully we aren't "just transporting" one of your family members from the nursing home to the Dr. office some day. We happen to be the last person these people come in contact with before the meet their maker more often then not. Personally, I treat ALL my patients the same, with respect and dignity, I'd even do the same for you in your ignorance.

5:30 PM  
Anonymous Heather said...

How in the hell do you figure you deserve an apology? Heros are everywhere and they are not just the ff/ems/cops. This has been blown waaay out of proportion. Lets just be thankful no one was hurt. Get off your high horses people.

6:59 PM  
Anonymous John M. Lyons said...

To the “ignorance is bliss isn’t it John” poster. (Hopefully we aren't "just transporting" one of your family members from the nursing home to the Dr. office some day.) I’m not sure if that is a threat or just a statement of how poor of service you provide. Either way it was a pretty ignorant statement.

(We happen to be the last person these people come in contact with before the meet their maker more often then not.) Unless you work for a funeral home this statement is worse then the last. This speaks to how poor of service you truly provide if your survival rate is that bad that more often then not your pt’s die on the way to the hospital. It’s certainly not something to brag about.

(Personally, I treat ALL my patients the same, with respect and dignity, I'd even do the same for you in your ignorance.) You must be employed by the Elyria ambulance company.

If you had half a brain and the sense to read my entire post you would see that I was in no way slamming any of you, only those who claim to be heroes just for doing their jobs. Paramedics, firemen and cops are important professions that we all need from time to time, but to proclaim yourself a hero for simply doing your job is preposterous.

John M. Lyons

8:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am a career firefighter/ paramedic and I AM NOT A HERO. It’s true that many in my profession view themselves as heroes or have an over-inflated sense of importance and entitlement; however there are many of us who do not share this sentiment.

You will note that I referred to myself as a career firefighter and not a professional firefighter the reason for this is that I chose to pursue firefighting as a career and I believe that all firefighters (professional, paid part-time or volunteer) try their utmost to be professional when serving the public.

It’s very true that following September 11th 2001 many of my peers both locally and nationally have “jumped on the backs” of the FDNY attempting to equate themselves with the 343 firefighters that ran toward the towers on that warm September morning. I find it sad and believe it trivializes their sacrifice.

It is important to remember that 2,631 other people perished that day. Was their sacrifice less honorable? Why should we just remember the 343 and not the 2,974?

In my opinion the true Hero is the Marine who loses a leg in an IED attack, then spends twelve months in physical therapy learning to use a prosthetic leg just so he can go back to Iraq to help keep his buddies safe.

The true Hero is the soldier who sees a grenade drop through his Humvee turret and with out hesitation, throws himself upon it to save his brothers.

The Heroes are the 4,209 killed and 30, 832 wounded in Iraq.

The Heroes are the 627 killed in action and 2,600 wounded in Afghanistan.

No I am not a hero, these individuals are the heroes and they could teach us all a thing or two about brotherhood, heroism and honor.

8:11 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OMG.. WOW.. Ive been a Firefighter/EMT for 11 yrs full time. part time and now voly. I have NEVER seen such BS till I moved back to Lorain County. WE ARE ALL THE SAME! Brothers/Sisters in ARMS. Most of voly, part-timers ect.. Have more training (some) Or at least the SAME training as the fulltimers. And us "voluteers" LOVE doing this. Why we do it for free or some change that we do get paid. We are not dumb, stupid, or idots.

I went by where this fire was the next day. And well even though the house was a loss. But it did not burn to the ground. And the Northen part of the county was in the middle of (fires), restocking there trucks from thats nights fires, or rehabing there guys/gals. We need rest to! It is VERY HARD WORK in a house fire or anything realy that we do.

ETFD did a great job! Somethings could of been differnt but live and learn! We arent perfect!

I can not belive I see the crap on here bashing one another! We do that enough to each other. We want to be perfect. But, We are far from it. Only one person is in this world. (if you belive in that)

Some people just will never get it. We DONT sit around the station all day and do nothing! So much to do to protect YOU! The tax payer!


I am very proud to a Firefighter/EMT Work very hard to keep my training. I think it sick to see this BS on here. WE ARE BROTHERS/SISTERS! Not fighting mates in some ring somewhere!

Great story Terry! I realy hope NOT to see this kind of comments anymore.


Nick Cerreto
Firefighter/EMT/EMT-STI/Hazmat Tech
Grafton Village Fire Dept Sta 1

8:48 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey John Lyons: How about those safety vests? You like them, huh?

8:58 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

O one more thing.... EVERY FIRE DEPT in the US started out with one person MOST of the time a voluteers or paid very little PLEASE remember that in your comments.

Thanks!

Nick Cerreto
Firefighter/EMT/EMS-STI/Hazmat Tech
Grafton Village Fire Dept Sta 1

9:01 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

RPG:

First of all it was the Mayor that shut Station 2 down..get your facts straight. This all goes back to the 1980's for Gods sakes.

You obviously are one of the believers out there, who for whatever reason; perhaps you have a great job with the City? RPG? I would have to wonder if your not related to the Almighty Grace? hmmm.....But, then again it really doesn't matter because your kind of mentality is what the citizens of Elyria is used to.

Don't bash Firemen Castle; he stated the facts as they were on the scene. How would you know what they were? Are you a firefighter or are you in an office sitting on a chair?

All I can say is.I hope you never need the fire dept to come out to your house>:D<

Have a wonderful evening all!! I know I am..

10:25 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is crazy why are you people so negative ALL firefighters choose to be trained to do this job noone makes them run into fires they chose to do this they risk their lives for strangers everyday and they dont do it for glory they do it because they chose to paid or unpaid these men and women choose this life and when they go on a call they have no idea how it will turn out when all is done but they are there to do all they can do for strangers homes,businesses,and lives they are always in danger on a call no matter what the reason but they put others above themselves because somewhere in their hearts they chose to do this unselfishly they deserve to be treated with respect ALL of them because if we didnt have these men and women who chose to do this where would we all be? unless you are a firefighter or married to one you dont realize what they do or go through the fire on Lake ave could have claimed the lives of the men there putting it out the floor was gone by the door they would have fell through to the basement and been lost think how their families would have felt the anger I see on here is nuts you all chose this job and you all do this job as best as you can would you not save each other if you had to in a fire?you ALL have a tough job but remember you chose to do it if you are not happy then you chose the wrong job Next time you are on a call and you save someone look at them and think is all this fighting and anger worth more than seeing someone you save smile at you and breath you saved someone now try to save youselves stop the petty name calling

8:44 AM  
Anonymous The Bot said...

John Lyons:
You seem like a real tool. I am a paramedic and I just wanted to comment on all your whole hero comment. If you notice most of the time its the firefighters who claim to be the "heroes". 99% of the paramedics I know and work with never claim to be a hero. We do what we do because we like to help people. Now if we happen to save someones lives they are the ones that think of us as heroes and I find nothing wrong with that. Everyone has their own idea of what a hero is. I never any of my bosses call the newspapers to tell them how we "saved" someones life (unlike some FD around claiming they saved a persons life then had their chief call and get a whole award ceremony and then not even mention the paramedics that actually did all the work and shock the patient back to a viable rhythm). That is just a day in the office for us. We never ask to be called some ones hero, people sometimes just think of us in that way. So if you want to keep bitching about people thinking they are “heroes” aim it at the FD who always self proclaim them self as heroes. Leave the paramedics out of it. Another interesting little fact for those who don’t know 75% of the fireman in lets just say for example elyria, are only EMT Basics. They aren’t even paramedic. Hope that helps you think of this in a different light.

10:53 AM  
Anonymous The Bot said...

Let me set the record straight, in my previous posting I was in no way, shape or form bashing EFD as a whole. I work along side of them and for the most part they are all very good guys. 90% of the guys on EFD are really good guys and are willing to give credit where credit is do. The other 10% are the ones that give the rest of you a bad name. They are the ones who self proclaim themselves as “heroes” and they think and act like they don’t need the rest of us and they can do it all on their own. They are the ones who have a problem giving credit when credit is due. Me on the other hand I have no problem saying that I enjoy having most of the guys on scene to assist and help and have no problem what so ever giving credit when it is due. It’s back to the old saying a few bad apple make the rest look like A-holes. Hope that helps clear some stuff off.

11:22 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Gentlemen and Ladies, this really and truly needs to stop. I am a fireman/paramendic's wife and he is a volunteer, one who did show up at the aforementioned fire....the night before our wedding.

I would ask that you all please cease and desist this bashing and name calling. You all do a fine job, do it well, and with respect. it is the posting and miscommunications however, that cause you all (currently) to look unprofessional and egotistical. Can you not see that at this time your comments make anyone who is a non-fire fighter consider that you may not show up quickly to a fire because you were instead bickering for precious minutes behind the scenes over who gets to go put it out? Your words are damning and do not belong on the internet.

I would like to say one thing in the defense of the volunteers....

I watch my husband get out of bed to the screaming pager and to the truck and on the road within two minutes. He lives close enough to the station that he makes it to a scene before or at the same time as any full time crew. I watch his face and see the dedication every time that pager goes off. I also know the amount of time he puts in to training, endless training, so he and his brothers can stay sharp. It is ugly and shameful that anyone would attempt to negate that level of education and dedication because they have a grudge. The majority of fire fighters in the United States are volunteers. Please take time to think about that before bashing them again.

12:12 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Lorain County Fire & Rescue" sounds pretty damn good!!

2:51 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

HEY BOT?

Get your own cot from now on. Remember paramedics are only good when the time is right, and pushing drugs is way down the line from maintaining a an open airway, pumping on their chest and breathing for a patient. And for the other paramedic that thinks we are better than you, standing around with faces looking like "this is a waste of my time"? You too can load your cot in the back of the wagon. I remember arguing with the (so called) experts in the medical field on an MVA who did not want to back board a patient because it was an ice storm outside. I'm glad I did. Because that patient finally received better treatment than the medic was willing to give that night. LATOR!!

3:26 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

hey Capt. Midkiff "your welcome"

4:11 PM  
Anonymous Heather said...

Congrats on your wedding!

6:53 PM  
Anonymous Sandra Cerreto said...

As a wife of a volunteer Firefighter/EMT, I watch my husband jump out of bed at all hours of the night to the {{damn}} pager going off to save another life or another home. He never complains about it or about being tired seeing he has to be at his other job at 7. To hear all of these fellow Firemen complain about these problems online doesn't seem like a good place. I know you have places to discuss these issues. I also know it would be more adult like and more appropiate to take the proper channels to do so. But for the sake of agrument, we can all say that all the fires that night got put out safely without any injuries or deaths. From what I heard on the radio there was no confusion as to who was to be where. Just a shortage of water in Lorain which was no one fault at hand. Instead of putting everyone down and calling petty childish names, I think we should be giving each other a huge pat on the back and saying congrats we saved another. Regardless of your religion, we should take a moment a thank God {{or whoever}} for keeping each other safe and alive!


God Bless!!! Keep fighting fires and saving lives!

Sandra Cerreto, Proud Wife of a Volunteer Firefighter/EMT

7:31 PM  
Anonymous The Bot said...

Well I guess you would be one of the 10% I was talking about because if you weren‘t and u actually read the part about me saying “I was in no way, shape or form bashing EFD as a whole“ like everywhere EFD has their bad apples, and it’s not like I was saying that life care doesn’t because there are. Not once did I say that I was better then anyone nor did I say I was an expert. I respect EMT- Basics a lot. Every medic has been one. It takes good basic to be a good medic. I’ve never once asked anyone other then my partner or a student to get my cot, so I have no problem loading my own patients. Nor have I ever under treated someone because of the weather. So if you still have a problem with my post then that’s fine everyone is entitled to there own opinion. I will still treat you all with respect on every call just like I have always done in the past.

10:01 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ok wow, that was alot of reading to get to the end. ETFD did thier job, EFD did thier job assisting when Lorain called for help (they also called Amherst and Vermilion, and maybe Sheffield, Im not sure). But thier is one fact that I did not see posted in all of these comments. Not that it is of any relevence to this disscussion but I have not read this in any article about this fire. This house actually was within the City of Elyria jurisdiction. Somehow the dispatchers of 911 paged ETFD for this fire, and could of been an honest mistake. The call probably came from an Elyria Township resident and 911 assumed the fire was in the township, happens every once in awhile, no big deal. At least the fire was put out, although maybe the MABAS should be revised to put closer departments to the top when requesting an engine company.

8:49 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OH BOT!!!... I'm not a EFD firefighter. Maybe if you score high enough on your next civil service test, you too can be a fireman. LATOR

9:10 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

EMT'S of Lifecare:

I'd just like to say this:

I believe there is some frustration over not making the eligibility list for EFD. Although there was one hired from Lifecare, and I know she was fired from there also. I don't know why we got the bad apple but, she will have to carry her own weight, and one time she refuses a call she will be gone!!

I personally would like to see Lifecare gone off the city payroll, and the fire dept handling all the calls. I don't understand why the ladder truck has to respond to calls with you; when they are about 90% of the time on the scene before you are!! I can say that I had an emergency and you both were dispatched, and they were there on the scene treating me before you guys showed up!!

Anyhow, this is my personal opinion and I'm sticking to it.

I AM NOT A FIREFIGHTER, NOR AM I MARRIED TO ONE!! THANK YOU..

Bev B...

10:16 AM  
Anonymous The Bot said...

I don’t take fire tests because I don’t want to be a fireman. So you can stick to playing with all the hoses you want because I‘m not interested. Thanks for the encouragement though. You just stick to getting peoples cots.

1:28 PM  
Anonymous The Bot said...

Bev B.
Most of the EFD guys I talk to don’t want to run squad, they like it just the way it is. Yes they might make it to the scene faster then us but that’s ok because we work as a team. And for the most part everyone on both sides are great team players and don’t have a problem with the way things are. Sure we might bicker back and forth between our selfs but we both have the same goal of great patient care and we don’t let any of the bickering get between that. Plus the last time I checked Life Care isn’t on the city payroll. I’m not a 100% about that but I am pretty sure. So keep having a vendetta against Life Care but they are all really good people and we do a pretty good job.

1:36 PM  
Anonymous The Bot said...

Banana pudding for all

1:37 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

the female got fired from efd is that true ?

1:52 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

After reading the post about wanting to "see lifecare off the city payroll" I felt I needed to add my two cents worth so here goes. LifeCare is not paid anything by the city of Elyria and the reason you see Elyria Fire showing up before the ambulance is because of the first response system we have in place. This system works very well because it is a team effort to ensure that everyone receives the care they require. The EMT's and Paramedics that work for me do so out of true desire to help others. They are not perfect but they work extremely hard to do the best job possible. We work very well with Elyria Fire on calls despite some of the ramblings above. I am a huge supporter of the first response system we have in place and believe that it helps to save lives because we work together. By the way, some of us have never taken a civil service test for any type of department because we love doing what we do as Paramedics. If you would ever like to find out more information about us, please let me know. Mike.

3:09 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree Mike! I'm a LifeCare EMT in Lorain, and while I love working in the city, and at that station, the few times that I've picked up shifts in Elyria it has been so awesome getting on scene and having EFD to help....and they DO help...A TON!!! Even if it is just to help carry the patient out of the house, or if the patient is in a percarious position, they are ALWAYS willing to help. The more hands your have, the safer the move is for the patient. I would love to see Lorain Fire on scene, but due to circumstances that are out of our control, they cant. And please, lets not open that can of worms, it is what it is and we make do just fine!! Some of us are Paramedics, some of us are FF, and some of us are both! We all chose to do what we do and we LOVE it! It's def. a calling, and I think for some who have made some of the comments they made on here just don't understand. I mean no disrespect to anyone when I say that. Also, little side note, when LFD IS on scene with us, or us with them, they help just as much as EFD does, with everything! I'm sure I'll get cussed out for SOMETHING I said in here, but keep in mind, we are ALL a family in EMS and we ALL work VERY HARD to provide the best possible patient care. We all have the same goal in mind....to do no harm!!!

Jenny Woodyard-EMT-I, LifeCare Ambulance.....and proud of it!

4:28 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am a member of Elyria Fire and would like to say Lt. W. Eppley and Capt. J. Pronesti are both good friends and good fire officers. I can't see the big deal about EFD not gettin a call to respond to this, its a ABANDONED house.A Detroit firefighter was killed 2 weeks ago in a abandoned house. What a waste of life.God rest his soul.We all need to smarten up paid or volly.Why get bent on something that now is going to be a vacant lot. About the fire on 17th st. Its to bad but people in the USA still die from fire every year. Fire was rolling big time when first rig arrived on scene. No fire department or EMS is perfect, not Lorain, Elyria, Elyria Twp. or any in Lorain County.Good luck to new members on Elyria Fire.Everybody out there in the business be careful and don't sweat the small stuff.

4:55 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am shocked that you people are responsible for keeping my family safe.

You are without a doubt the biggest bunch of unprofessional children I have ever seen.

I would say that you should be ashamed, but I know it would mean nothing to you. You are so blinded by your own light.

Holy shit, I mean I'm really and honestly shocked to see what depth this goes to.

I can't believe Joe Pronesti is allowing this kind of behavior. There should be an investigation and every Elyria Firefighter that has made a comment on this board should be reprimanded and suspended. You are an embarassment to your service.

I'll issue the same position as other people. I'm not a fireighter, paid, unpaid, or otherwise. I'm not a police officer, I don't hate the mayor, I'm not a supporter of the mayor.

I am one of the 35,000+ people who pay my taxes and support you and your families.

I am a taxpayer and I deserve more from the people I entrust my family to. You are all disgusting!!!

4:58 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous at 8:11pm
You da man. If ever there was a person that needed to sign their name to a post it's you.
I hope you read this so you know that somebody appreciated that wonderful well written comment.
KUDOS

5:01 PM  
Anonymous ron said...

Jenny,
Very nice post and I am certainly not going to cus you out. I will correct something you said about lorain fire helping on scenes. It is well known that this department does not respond to ems calls, even full arrest calls. This is something I do not understand and do not bring up the BS about manpower. If you have enough guys to go check hydrants and go check a house when a CO detector goes off then you can send a crew when someones heart has stopped beating and needs CPR immediately and your station is just down the street. Lorain fire could first respond and begin CPR until the ambulances arrive then they can return to their comfy stations. With the number of people who are alive today because Elyria fire and others run as first responders I can only imagine how many citizens in lorain did not make it because the fire department in their town plays politics and has too many old and lazy guys. Many of the younger ones want to run ems but they can’t. What they are doing, or in this case not doing, is criminal. Shame on you lfd and shame on you Mayor K for allowing this to take place in our city.
Ron

8:53 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Okay, let me correct this about Lifecare on city payroll..

I know you aren't on the payroll and being paid by the city. But, I also know that the city contracts with your company, and thats what I meant by not being on the payroll.

I believe this was brought up at EFD's Union meetings, and so far nothing has happened. I just think that Lifecare is making a heck of a profit off of the city and the people like myself. The city could stand to make that money for themself. I might be wrong, but none of us are perfect are we?

I know I'm not, but I love my job, and I don't work in your field. But, I have many friends with EFD.

Thanks Jenny, and Mike for sharing. I know who you are Jenn, and I don't have a clue who you are Mike.>:D<


Bev B.

10:57 PM  
Anonymous Mike said...

Bev, I am the supervisor for the ambulances in Elyria. You are welcome to contact us and come down to see how things work. I love being a Paramedic and love working in Elyria because me and all of my family live here. Mike.

12:14 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Some of the comments on here..Pronesti. Great man. Abrother to the FF, what a super job he did...Remember people..He quit..He quit on his men and city..Don't give me this crap it was temporary..He QUIT..

4:07 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

did the new female at efd get fired or what ?

8:13 AM  
Anonymous The Bot said...

You cant make a profit when people dont pay the bill. The transports are what make life care the money not the 911 call. They do that out of the goodness of their hearts.

8:17 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Life Care is a For Profit Company. The employees are essentially scabs. Fire based EMS has been proven to provide better response times and patient care. For profit Companies are only concerned about the they money that can be made and patient care is secondary. Most large cities throughout the country have moved away from For Profit Companies as primary EMS providers because of these reasons. Life Care’s ability to hold tight to the contracts for Lorain and Elyria, blocking any attempts that those departments make to take over EMS speaks to what they are all about.

1:57 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The female Firefighter on Elyria F.D. has not been fired.She is assigned to "A" shift at Cedar St. #1 and is learning everything she needs for her job as a new probie. I understand she is doing well as are the other rookies.Its important that they do well because in 2009 I think 6-7 firefighters will retire.

2:05 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I just found out that the vacant house on Lake Ave.that had the fire was in the City of Elyria and not in the Township. Wow . Does ETFD know what is in or out.Call Elyria FD and ask if this is true? I did.

2:21 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yep. That house sure is in the city. Annexed in 2002 according to the Lorain County Auditor. Funny though, during the annexation, the city promised to provide all city services. Guess they dropped the ball. That's ok. ETFD saved more than just the basement.

FDGuy

4:14 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The initial was reported to 9-1-1 as a structure fire at the corner of Lake Ave and Rambler. That would be within the Township jurisdiction. The fire ended up being slightly more south then what the caller has stated to the 9-1-1 Operator. It had nothing to do with ETFD not knowing their jurisdiction.

4:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The question is ...Elyria Twp. on scene at vacant house on Lake Ave. does anybody here know if this house is in city or twp. Lightbulb goes off in head of man in charge. I think I will call 911 back and double check, maybe call Twp.Chief at home, he would know or call Elyria city FD after fire is knocked down. Its not rocket science just following through on a questionable location, no disrespect to Eyria Twp. Fire intended.I hold Chief Eppley in high regard.I know he was not in charge that night, get well soon Chief.

5:00 PM  
Anonymous cheatham said...

Scabs.....Come on up to 2nd and West and I will guarantee the only scabs there will be are the ones on you after I teach you a lesson....Douche bag..First the Medic's and EMT's that work at LC are here to do EMS (Run emergencys and Help people). Most of the Medic's and EMT's that work at LC are also firefighters and work as such at other jobs full-time/part-time or volunteer.....Scabs Well..since you didn't have the balls to put your name on your post..I will tell you if you (and you can ask the fella's and my girl at EFD that know me)if you your family or friends need a squad this is one of the scabs you want to show up. Cause along with my co workers I will do everything I can to help you. And if you are a firefighter that called us scabs have the sack to own up.....Got to go help someone.......

6:17 PM  
Anonymous Kenny said...

I have been amused reading the posts from firefighters who were eating their own like they were over agressive wolf puppies. They ran themselves into the ground than changed tactics and started eating paramedics.

Once they destroyed everything and everyone around them, including their commanding officers, they moved into what they are most comfortable with....

Talking about what they deserve, what they should get. After all the hate they announce that they want, and deserve to be the primary provider for EMS.

Hmmmmmmmm why would they want to do EMS. Is it their undying dedication to training and the code of conduct that they adhere to as "professional" Firefighters??
OR, could it be that they are interested in hiring the 10 new firefighers PER DAY that would be required to run emergency calls.

Elyria can't afford the MASSIVE amount of overtime, sick time, comptime, double super happy fireman time, what ever. It would be just one more huge joke played on the citizens of Elyria.

If fire ran as much as LifeCare they would die. As it is now they CLAIM they are busy.

Elyrians do not fall for their games you/we will all be very sorry if that ever comes to pass.

6:30 PM  
Anonymous Nicholas L. Cerreto said...

When is the "stuff" going to stop?? Gezzs

Nick Cerreto
Firefighter/EMT/EMS-STI/Hazmat Tech
Grafton Village Fire Dept. Sta. 1

6:37 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the IDIOT who put the post that firefighter/paramedics provide better care:

Step up to the plate and put your name out there followed by your evidence.

Actually, the evidence shows quite the contrary. www.firehouse.com under EMS.

John, paramedic and firefighter

6:59 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bev B = ignorant person commenting on a topic they know nothing about.

7:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nice, another city firefighter justifying their existence. By the way...... look at the largest city in the United States, New York. They are a private/city EMS response. Might want to look in California as well, same model.

Most cities take on EMS not because they can necessarily provide better care, but to ensure their existence by capturing revenue. It ensures higher staffing.

Having said that, and before some fool turns that comment around. Patient care is dictated on training, education, discipline, medical director supervision. Not whether you are a fire department or private. When I think of the best services in the area that I would want taking care of me, not once does the factor of whether they are fire based or private enter my mind.

7:17 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I gave noticed that ETFD doesn't have anyone pissing and moaning on here...it is city folks and LifeCare. It toned out for a Township address and they responded, should they have called 911 and let it burn until EFD could get there? If it was an EMS call, should they let the person bleed until someone else shows up?

7:27 PM  
Anonymous cheryl said...

To clear up the issue about the female firefighter. She worked at lifecare before being hired at efd. She was fired from lifecare shortly before becoming a city employee. She was fired from lifecare for refusing a call and for arguing with supervisors. Good luck with her efd.

9:18 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I would be careful about responding where you don't belong.

I hear that an Elyria Firefighter was involved in a standoff over a car fire with a volunteer Department up north.

He told them to pack up their F_*^*ing hoses and get back in their own jursidiction.

And you better believe they did it too!!!!

10:38 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just curious how many full time union fire departments are in lorain county

10:44 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Elyria, Lorain, North Ridgeville, Sheffeild Lake, Sheffield Village, Avon and Avon Lake are all full time.

10:45 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am a Elyria Firefighter that has been transported to EMH by Life Care for a life threating health issue.I am forever grateful for the care and concern by the crew.Elyria Life Care crews for years have been working side by side very well with fire. Everybody has a bad day once in a while, EMS, Police and Fire.Not everyone is cut out for this line of work and some should look at themselves and maybe take up another line of work.Anyways Terry I think you do a good job with this web site but this thread has run its course. Take Care Everyone.

11:52 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If Elyria took over squad they would have to change their trucks to say "Elyria EMS dept. and we have some fire trucks too."

Local Firefighter

10:36 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So is the whole point here to not say "thank you"? It seems that this poor Capt. Midkiff from ETFD just tried to thank the various agencies for help and now you are off on a battle with LifeCare, EFD...this new female FF for EFD, who will do a fine job if she can stomach the egotistical attitudes of a department that thinks they are superior to all. Now can we all grow the hell up and say "your welcome Capt. Midkiff"?

11:05 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let it burn till EFD arrived?
Huh? 3 minutes down the road and AT WORK, NOT toned in. This is neither here nor there though, the fire happened and it's done. The animosity and bullsh*t on here are laughable! As an EFD Firefighter I have NEVER heard anyone bitch,moan,whine or complain about not going to a fire in another jurisdiction. That'd be 20+ years of listening.
I learned a long time ago that when we are working others are suffering and any firefighters who wish for or complain they didn't get to go to a working fire need their head examined.

12:53 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

^^^^^^ I'd like to add,Egotistical?
Please, if you do not think you are the best then why be a Firefighter,Medic or whatever you endeavor to do.
Firefighting is a job where you must be ultra confident in yourself and the men/women you work with.
I believe we are the best, SO WHAT?
So does Lorain and every other Fire Dept and we ALL prove it at every working fire.
You believe the same otherwise you wouldn't be whining on here about what others type.Or maybe you don't which in turn makes you a defensive B*T*H ;-)
SHEESH!!!!!!!!!!!

1:36 PM  
Anonymous The Bot said...

Well put Anonymous 11:52pm

4:05 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Kenny,
I heard about that call on 90. But I think it was an accident not a car fire.
The Avon guys started trouble with FF Nilges and he put them in their place. I don't think he made them leave the scene though. I'm surprises Mayor Disgrace didn't fire him!!!!!
Too many departments in this area don't respect their bondaries. It's time to get a little more professiuonl

4:31 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

10 more comments and this will make tmcnews.net history! For the first story to reach the century mark in comments. Let me see if I can get us there by stating the following.

EFD is only good for getting LifeCare's cot!

LifeCare is only good for getting lost!

Go at it again!

10:07 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To Anonymous 4:31pm,
That was a car fire that Sheffield Village Fire Department was sent to and then Elyria was called after. Elyria pulled up and the driver of the engine jumped out and got into the face of the other firefighters shouting the F word in front of other firefighters, police officers and citizens. He then jumped back into the engine and did nothing else. To their credit the other Elyria firefighters helped and were professionals.

Sheffield Village handled the situation with Elyria without causing a public stink, I wish Elyria could act as classy as Sheffield. Elyria also needs to get control of some of their guys. For the most part efd has a great group of professional guys, unfortunately a few bad apples are hurting them in the public.

10:08 PM  
Anonymous Joseph A said...

To the Elyria FF that is sticking up for FF Nilges.

It’s boundaries, not bondaries.

It’s professional, not professiuonl. But then when you don’t act professional or within the boundaries of decency, how would anyone expect you to know the difference.

Everybody needs to learn that all safety forces have tough jobs to do, they do not need others in their profession tearing them down in public.

10:19 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

When did this incident with EFD and FF Nilges take place, if it really happened? Why did'nt the police ,other firefighters Sheffield Village or civilians or officer in charge of Eng.3 report this to Asst Chief Brlas or Chief Pronesti. Will the accuser stand up at be heard or hide under the anonymous rock.

11:15 PM  
Anonymous Heather said...

wow. Does anyone realize how totally off topic this has become?

1:03 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

95 comments, we are getting closer.

Hey---- just to maybe get it closer to 100, were they wearing their safety vests???

8:04 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Heather,

It's so off topic because the whole topic started with someone saying something nice. Thanking other public service agencies. We can't have that here!!! (Sarcasm) We need 100 comments to refute 1 positive remark. Talk about class. Capt Midkiff is the only poster on this article who has the right idea. The rest is just a pissing contest.

8:54 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Absolutely!!! agree with the last comment. What a waste......and what does it say about our county.

Very Sad!!

6:08 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I for one can say that I am embarrassed. Captin Midkoff, thanks for paying it forward!!

6:08 PM  
Anonymous Heather said...

Thats why I am thankful I do not live in Lorain County!! Not that my county is any better. For those of you wondering why I come on here then my bf is a firefighter in lorain county.


Heather


YAY am I 100??

7:50 PM  
Anonymous The Bot said...

It is such a waste, yet you keep coming back to see what is posted.

7:52 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Congratulations TMC News!!! As usual, a great job and a simple thank you led to 102 (with mine)posts!!!

Captain Midkiff, congratulations!!!! Your thank you was well appreciated and enough to stir up the feelings. While that is all negative, your appreciation for everyone has been widely recognized.

Darn..........and I wanted to be 100!!!

8:33 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Heather... you need to go back to the top of blog and read all posts again. I saw some nice comments about Life Care from EFD and about Chief Eppley of ETFD.To say everything else is just pissing means you are way off base. Your boyfriend is some kind of firefighter somewhere? Does that make you a firehouse groupie.

12:36 AM  
Anonymous EFD for Life said...

Our female FF is doing great. Why LC would fire someone with her kind of attitude is beyond me.... She is doing so well.... Once you join EFD you don't get lost anymore....

9:17 AM  
Anonymous Chris said...

Ffr Nilges here,
I would LOVE to know about this call that I was on and did the things you are talking about ... um... oh yea Anonymous. Figures, you accuse me and then have small ball syndrome. You cant even post your name. Goes to show that you have NO idea what you are talking about. Were you there? NOT a chance, since what you said NEVER happened. Jurisdiction on Rt 2/90 or the turnpike is so hard to establish when you get calls from people wizzing by at 70MPH. I could care less if Sheffield, Amherst, or whoever puts out a care fire in Elyria. All that means is I dont have to clean up hose when I get back (now thats funny). Whoever you are, I am on duty tommorrow, Monday Dec 8th, come see me. Accuse me face to face and bring FACTS. Not the "I heard from so and so" or "someone told me". And for the rest of you Anonymous accusers, grow a set, if you have something to say and its worth saying, put your name to it, quit hiding.

Bev, Lifecare is NOT on the city payroll. They are paid by you and the insurance companies and the government. And our new female probie has NOT been fired.

And to all the rest of you that decided to make TMCNEWS.NET the new LorainCounty.com, well you are ruining a good thing. Terry works hard on this site and it doesnt need to be made into a site where pissing contests start. As Ive stated before, you want to know something, you have a question, come to Station 3. I will tell you what I know, or answer what I can. If I cant, I will find out what I can for you or direct you to someone who can.

ALL firefighters, paid or volunteer, look out for their own and for the citizens they protect. Its our SWORN duty as firefighters. We are not heros, we are doing a job. Trust me, we would all be happy NEVER having to go to another fire or putting our lives on the line for yours. BUT we will and we do, everyday.

12:37 PM  
Anonymous Matt said...

"Terry works hard on this site..."

Haha well if you call snapping a couple of pictures "hard" and posting it on the internet "work" ...then yes, he "works" pretty "hard".

6:42 PM  
Anonymous Heather said...

Heather... you need to go back to the top of blog and read all posts again. I saw some nice comments about Life Care from EFD and about Chief Eppley of ETFD.To say everything else is just pissing means you are way off base. Your boyfriend is some kind of firefighter somewhere? Does that make you a firehouse groupie.



What the heck? all I said was that this has gone way of topic someone else said the pissing comment. Also am I a firehouse groupie No I too will soon be a EMT and hoping to become a volunteer firefighter. I am a supporter not a groupie. The least you could do is apologize for misquoting me. It was the Anonymous below me that said that the rest is just a pissing contest.

I was not knocking anyone and yes there were a few nice comments. It just seemed that everything went off the original topic of the story.

9:19 PM  
Anonymous Kenny said...

So, FF Nilges, you are a victim now? True or false did you have a temper tantrum in the middle of the highway or not???

Did you cuss out another department?? Or are you gonna just challenge the internet to come by the station for a "talk"?

Shame shame... somebody might need to spill the rest of your dirt, people know. Somebody is going to tell, it's just a matter of time.

So, Heather, just for the record, you are a groupie. Every stripper in america is working on their Masters Degree in Psychology. Your issue is called, Denial

so, EFD, who is running your department. The boys are out of control.
so, TMC, are you gonna move this thread back to the top or are you going to bury it?

There is so much dirt here I really think you can break 200+

11:10 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To F/F Nilges, Thank you for that imput. Maybe now these no named idiots that have no idea what they are talking about will shut up and go back to loraincounty.com! F/F Haas

4:21 PM  
Anonymous Chris said...

Kenny, who the hell are you? No Im not a victim, no I did not throw a tantrum, no I did not cuss out another deparment. As usual its just BS. And I didnt put quotes around the word talk in my statement. Anyone at anytime is free to ask about something or talk. PERIOD. Quit reading into things.

F/F Haas, thanks, but you and I both know they wont. I guess when you are jealous of those of us with a good job, bad mouthing us is all they can do.

10:40 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is it Ken,Kenneth or Kenny.The six year old that lives across the street from me goes by Kenny. Is that you? Who said FF Nilges was a victim? Not him. I have know Chris for a long time and not once has he said woe is me,I feel so sorry for myself.Does he have a high option of himself,sometimes.Does he think he is Gods gift to women,sometimes.Does he talk down to people around him,sometimes.Is he a royal pain in the azz,sometimes.Is he a hard working trained,give-it-all-he-has firefighter,you bet.Chris would give you the shirt off his back.Kenny go start some bull somewhere else.Please sit at the kids table and let the adults talk.

10:49 PM  
Anonymous Chris Nilges said...

LLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

NOW THAT WAS DAMN FUNNY !!!!!!!!

Whoever you are, you DO know me.

Chris

9:12 PM  
Anonymous Heather said...

So, Heather, just for the record, you are a groupie. Every stripper in america is working on their Masters Degree in Psychology. Your issue is called, Denial


wow what an ASS. How do you consider me a groupie? I come on here to see the pictures of calls my boyfriend goes to. I comment like everyone else. I too am entitled to an opinion. Where do you get off saying "every stripper in america is working on their Masters Degree in Psychology."
A. I am not a stripper
B. I am not majoring in psychology.

I do not consider myself a groupie. Again I come on here to see pics of my boyfriends calls and state my opinion. I attend firefighter functions with my boyfriend and help out. I do not run to every scene with him. I do wear clothes screaming my boyfriend is a ff. I do not talk about it constantly. I am proud of him and support all firefighters but believe me there are women much more deserving of the groupie name than I.

10:06 PM  
Anonymous The Bot said...

I think that EMS/FIRE/PD need groupies.

9:28 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Finally it is at rest!

8:16 PM  
Anonymous Heather said...

in a correction to my last comment it should say "I do not wear clothes screaming my bf is a ff." I just now realized it said I do.

11:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

its so funny how people can bitch and moan about the stupid shit and has nothing to do with this story.... that was my mom and dads house i grew up in this house they have lived there for 20 plus years.. they had just moved out a couple days before this fire and was still moving things out... im just glad that none of my family was still living there when the fire broke out and no one was hurt... i thank everyone that showed up to the scene to help put the fire out... i dont care if they came 10 mins away or 2 mins away the point is they got the fire out and no one was hurt...

1:38 AM  

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